So maybe flann is hardly mentioned because he's not really important, just one of many husbands gwynevere took on over the centuries. Also keep in mind that gwynevere likely had a LOT of husbands and children over the years. - Page 2. Flame God Flann gets mentioned very little in Dark Souls - in fact, only once that I can recall, that being the description on the Ring of the Sun Princess. So maybe she was the reason of Bed of Chaos, but she survived and escaped. "The Princess of Sunlight Gwynevere left Anor Londo along many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann.". But then there was fire, and with fire came disparity. By the way, my Dark Souls pet peeve would be 'Gwyndolin was born with snake legs'. I am not saying it was ceaseless (I'm also not saying it wasn't...) but I have considered that. Since she could have been related to Lothric in the recent times, to have her heavenly children spread her influences. Add to that that Gwyndolin appears to now have snakes/tenticle legs and considering the Picassa, as well as basic proximity, I think there is a stong argument to be made for a connection there. (silly theory, just spewing it out in case it sticks). Gwynevere left Anor Londo with the other deities AFTER Gwyn gave himself to the first flame tho. The way I interpret it, all Gods are "Flame Gods". Therefore I think gwyn sacrificed himself after the bed of chaos was born but before Anor londo was abandoned by the gods. Coolio! BPassion91 Jul 24, 2019. Who is he? Amazing chest ahead XD . A look at Gwynevere, Princess of Sunlight, and the woman behind the illusion few ever knew. Gywndolin, with his serpentine legs and moon sorcery, perhaps was gifted to Seath for used in his experiments due to his feminine aspects. The fire begins to fade. :> Reply. ). And the sisters did survive after all, so it doesn't need to be that she "died" but that the union went...poorly. That mean he successfully extended the age of fire for quite a while. But that's my read and I can understand disagreement. Players can equip up to 2 Rings, but equipping two of the same item is not possible. If you consider what would occur when a God of Flame meets a Goddess of Fertility... One of the central questions of Dark Souls has always been why would the Nameless King, who seems to be the head of the most honorable covenent in the game, turn on his father and join with the enemy he spent most of his life trying to destroy. Flanny-boy?" This leads me to believe he is simply a … Anyway, just got a little excited about the possibilities of Dark Souls 2 and its potential of being a prequel etc. Gwyn's daughter, Gwynevere, provides the player character with the Lordvessel needed to link the First Flame.According to in-game item descriptions, she married the Flame God, Flann… The Witch of Izalith and two of her daughers have become the Bed of Chaos...suddenly there are the more immediate danger of the demons. Gwyndolin has aspects of the moon and is transgender with a ring that makes him appear fully female. I do personally believe that "Heide" is a new name that was devised for the now ancient Flame God Flann and it was him and Gwynevere who founded the now sunken city. Lore [ edit | edit source ] He is mentioned to have left Anor Londo along with the other gods , and eventually marrying Gwynevere, Princess of … Fillianore, his youngest, we find in the Ringed City, which I think a strong argument can be made was connected to New Londo, and area which had to be flooded and destroyed to stop the spread of the Abyss. Flame God Flann/Gwynevere (Dark Souls) Gwynevere (Dark Souls) Flame God Flann; Lord's Blade Ciaran; The Nameless King; Lord Gwyn; Dark Sun Gwyndolin; Summary. 1 . Was Flann keeping those flames alive and did Seath and/or Gwyn do something to really shake his salad? With their p… Flame god Flann Could be that Gwynevere was the Queen of Lothric as she is not seen anywhere and the Divine blessing kind of vaguelly links her to it. The real Gwynevere is currently not in Lordran, having married to the flame god Flann. 309. Still, I doubt that Gwynnevere died at the birth of Bed of Chaos. Something hit me recently, and the only reason it did is because I rewatched some of ENBs lore videos. Ornstein, who protects Gwynevere, is present. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/From+Berserk+to+Bloodborne. Gwyn, seeking a way to stop this makes a deal with the Witch of Izalith for an arraigned marriage they believe will be able to rekindle the first flame and extend the age of fire. Anyway, I believe that Flann has played a role in the lore leading up to DkS3. That one is fake" we only hear his name once and thats it. I don't personally buy into the Gwynevere being the Queen. Since Lothric is the last cycle and it includes all the previous ages, I'm more inclined to believe that Gwynevere left Anor Londo together with Flann in Ds1, and they eventually ended up in Lothric in Ds3, where Flann founded Lothric's Kingdom and Castle. A land of gray crags, Archtrees and Everlasting Dragons. so it could have been possible that (referring to VaatiVidya's theory on heide's tower of flame) that flann had already created heide's tower and then gwynevere came along after and added the style of anor londo in the form of the cathedral of blue. After the manifestation of the First Flame, a race of towering humanoids was born. I believe that in Lordran, there are lords, and gods. Johnthethird. Was Flame God Flann the sole reason or hope for the continued existence of Age of Fire? I think from just wanted a placeholder with a cool name. Nah, never was a "central" question for first (some side story yes, not central) and it's not really a question: NK hunted dragons and thought it was a good thing to do, then he found out about Midir, realized hypocrisy of the situation and ran away to atone his past deeds against the dragons. I discuss that here: http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/From+Berserk+to+Bloodborne. The Princess of Sunlight left Anor Londo along with many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann. Heat and cold, life and death, and of course, light and dark. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Flame God Flann? We know his oldest daughter married a "Flame God", but we know more or less nothing about him. Vored trans princess :(. I think Gwyndolin and his ring combined with Seath wanting to experiment on women he kidnaps is a rabbit hole worth going down, given the Moonlight Greatsword makes Seath the grandfather of magic and Gwyndolin being a caster who uses magic buffed by faith. That's adding an awful lot I don't think you need to add. (I think) Reply. Is Flann actually Ceaseless Discharge ? Gwynevere left Anor Londo first and THEN met flame god flann and married him. I don't see the Fillianore/New Londo connection, it's because she was given to the pygmies? It would make sense since Lothric is a completely pro-firelinking society (at least before the youger prince's change of mind), and Flann was the god of flame. We just assume that everything dies at some point. Flann had his arms crossed, a frown marring his face, he knew that aura even if he couldn't tell from sight alone. View all replies. Plus you - #146593944 added by tiltaz at [Dark Souls] Are you alright, m' lady Imagine this narrative. ThatGuyImortal Jul 24, 2019. Then Flann passed away, leaving his title to someone else, probably Oceiros. We don't even ACTUALLY know what Gwynevere looked like, only that she apparently left Anor Londo to marry "Flame god Flann" at some point, and Gwyndolin created an illusion of both her and a bright sun in the world. For Dark Souls Remastered on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Where's the real Gwynevere?" The Kings of New Londo fall to the Abyss and the city is flooded to stop them and Gwyn, now truely alone with enemies encroaching on all sides, links the flame to attempt to extend the current Age of Fire. Flann, later known as the Spear God was the biological younger brother of the Current Martial King of the One-Horned Tribe hailed as its strongest and one of the Five Martial Gods of Cheonghwado and its co-founder together with his best friend, The Sword God. Commander #1. Also, there is room for a lot of confusion because we don't know what flame he is a God of. The obvious being the First Flame itself, and the second being through pyromancy, in all of it's various incarnations. A mod I've been working for 3 months so far with 3 good peeps. If Ocerious inherited from a Flame God, you would think there would be more...flame. Johnthethird. The wedding of Gwynevere and Flann is swiftly approaching. She is still around and having kids in dark souls 3 and has manipulated entire kingdoms to be built around the idea of linking the flame. Flann is probably the slug under Gwynevere in the deacon cathedral. Eira is at a loss for words at her captains invite to accompany him. "You are aware I could kill you before you could blink, yes? Things begin to get heated. A community dedicated to everything about Dark Souls 3. "You'll be coming with me, Dark Lord." That, or Flann is the God of boring, conventional flames and not awesome life-giving Flames. I remember discarding him as rather irrelevant, but when I thought a bit further regarding the speculative relationship between Seath, Priscilla, Gwynevere and of course Seath being a trusted friend of Lord Gwyn, something hit me. Nito, the first of the dead, the Witch of Izalith, and her Daughters of Chaos, Gwyn, the Lord of Sunlight, and his faithful knig… You can't screw Illusions. Gwynevere married the Flame God Flann after she left with the rest of the gods. The place to discuss Dark Souls II. "In the Age of Ancients, the world was unformed, shrouded by fog. First, let's go back to the story we already know from DkS1: From the way you put it, it sounds like gwyn sacrifices himself after all this crazy shit went down, but gwyn became a lord of cinder as opposed to ash. I just think he must've had a plan. Menma's grin met the 'Flame God's' scowl. Obsessed. Seath was kidnapping women, including Gwyneveres own handmaids. But lets take a moment to consider how or why this would happen, and why an illusion would be kept to hide it. The Nameless king briefly returned after his father's death to place "Sunlight Blade". I dont think flann is important. It seems reasonable to believe Flann would need to be connected to one of these two, so lets explore both. Series. Reply. At this point Gywn is beyond desparate. Because I think he was just there to say "gwynevere is not in anor londo. The reason Gwyndolin is so weird is because he was born with an affinity of the moon, was raised as a daughter and has a … We know souls are transferable from Dark Souls 2, so I think more likely original Gwynevere (and Flann, etc) are gone and in this cycle maybe it's the Queen of Lothric, maybe it's Rosaria, hell maybe it's Gertrude. Is he a God of THE flame? But they are seperate. Ring of the Sun Princess is a Ring in Dark Souls and Dark Souls Remastered. This slightly warm ring boosts the synergy of miracles. but there's no definitive answer for this. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. That'd be incest, sis. Priscilla I think was an experiment who escaped and was protected in the painting. Flame God Flann. I know we haven't got any more evidences he wasn't. H-exe Jul 24, 2019. So at this point I think we can say with pretty good certainty that Gwyn was willing to give his youngest to the Pygmies as a sacrifice of some sort. Gomp - Co mod creator and founder Spoongus - Models and design works. And so a schism in the ranks occured, a Civil War during which the Nameless King joined with the Dragons. That simple. Was Flann part of that plan and did Gwyn royally burn his brownie? I think Flann is mostly, just a wink at Berserk's Grunbeld. More the Abyss and Kaath, since we see all of the Primordial Serpent statues. But what I never thought about was the difference between the founders and the people occupying it, unless I am totally misinterpreting your second idea. But it seems pretty unnatural. FINISHED. Flann wished to be wed to Gwynevere but Gwyn would not allow it, which plunged the two empires into war when Gwynevere fled her fathers kingdom to side with Flann. Souls: 0.00 . If he was why did Gwyn have to sacrifice himself and why did Flann leave with the other Gods? She may or may not have died. The group of five enjoy a well deserved party, and with the alcohol permeating their brains, the Dragonslayer leads dear Eira to his room. She is married to someone. This ring is granted to those who enter a Covenant with Gwynevere, daughter of Lord Gwyn and the Princess of Sunlight. There's speculation and stuff like "Oceiros is Flame God Flann and he killed Gwynevere," "Velka got what she wanted," etc. Dark Souls 1 is the story of Gwyn, this is the story of those who followed. Do you really wanna start this? Posts: 309. Commander. Obsessed. The architecture is similar to that of Anor Londo (if very destroyed, which makes sense since this takes place much later). Flame God Flann is a mentioned character in Dark Souls. One final thought: Did Gwyn really start the Age of Fire and create his dynasty if he knew that the flames would just as soon fade ? Then Flann passed away, leaving his title to someone else, probably Oceiros. Reply. Flame God Flann gets mentioned very little in Dark Souls - in fact, only once that I can recall, that being the description on the Ring of the Sun Princess. Flame God Flann/Gwynevere (Dark Souls) Gwynevere (Dark Souls) Flame God Flann; Lord's Blade Ciaran; The Nameless King; Lord Gwyn; Dark Sun Gwyndolin; Summary. Gywn's Daughter Gwynevere fell in love with another being that was also very powerful, the Flame God Flann. All i have to say is... poor Gwyndolin... they didn't deserve what happened. The most reasonable to me seems to be pyromancy, perhaps through the Witch of Izalith, and I think most reasonably as part of the attempt to re-create the First Flame that lead to Chaos and Demons. One of the new boss fights that await you in the Ds3 Archthrones mod: coming... when its done. It would make sense since Lothric is a completely pro-firelinking society (at least before the youger prince's change of mind), and Flann was the god of flame. Series. I think she is married to ocerios anyway. When we are talking fire in the Dark Souls world, we have two major branches. A nice coincidence with Heide's Tower of Flame. We know that the flames began to fade, but we are never told why (correct me if I'm wrong). FINISHED. Especially considering the existence of Priscilla. So I'm guessing that Gwynevere is actually normal sized. The Princess of Sunlight Gwynevere left Anor Londo along many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann. The Nameless King (dead)- god of lightning Gwynevere (unknown)-goddess of sunlight Filianore (dead)-unknown Gwyndolin (dead)-god of moonlight Flame God Flann (unknown)-god of fire Nameless Blacksmith Deity (dead)-god of smithing Caitha (unknown)-goddess of tears Galib (unknown)-god of disease Kremmel (unknown)-god of struggle Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:38 pm. Either before or after this, Seath goes mad and Gwyndolin leaves him to return to Anor Londo and using the magical skills he has learned from Seath either creates or expands the illusion of the city. Gwyn led the Gods in a war against the Dragons. The theory that Seath had his way with Gwynevere (crossbreed Priscilla), Seath perhaps tried to experiment on Gwynevere, Perhaps he had some connection to Havel the Rock and was disgusted by the treatment of Havel and Gwyn's support for Seath (maybe Havel is a bishop for Flann? And seeing all of this, the Nameless King and his knights, including Havel the Rock, could not stand by and support his Father's decisions, or even support continuing to extend the age of fire. He is still alive...sadly. They came from the Dark, much like Humans, and four powerful individuals were changed, for they found the Souls of Lords near the flame. "The Princess of Sunlight Gwynevere left Anor Londo along many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann." We know gave a part of his soul to the Four Kings and part of his Soul to Seath...but what if that was only part of the gift. Fextralife forums | RPGs, Elden Ring, Nioh, Sekiro, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne, and more Flame God Flann; K Knight Berenike; Knight King Rendal; L Lord Gwyn's Firstborn; M Furtive Pygmy; Nameless Blacksmith Deity; O Old Man McLoyf; P Pharis; Primordial Serpents; S Salaman the Master Pyromancer; V Velka, Goddess of Sin; W Witch of Izalith; Y Yulva; Then from the dark, they came, and found the Souls of Lords within the flame. Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight, the Witch of Izalith, The Furtive Pygmy, and Nito, the First of the Dead: these four beings thus became the first and most powerful out of the other beings that lived in the world, known from that time as the Lords. Also I'm not sure where you got the idea that gwyndolin had anything to do with seath. This took about 3 months to put together. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. It's a place of discussion after all though. MentalCrash Jul 24, 2019. Rather than recreating the First Flame, they instead create the Chaos Flame. I believe she is probably a descendent of Gwynevere (either directly or of the same 'soul' in this cycle) but I don't think she personally is the same person and still around. :V But I think Gwyndolin would have more appeal. His plan has failed, his daughter is lost, which it appears he wishes to hide with the Illusion of her we find in Anor Londo. Turning against his family...I think it will take more than finding a nice dragon...which there is no indication that he did as I am not aware of any connections of NK to the Ringed City. Moonlight Greatsword says that "Seath is the grandfather of sorcery" indicating to me both that Seath is the origin of most magic and that moonlight is related in some what. What about this? Joined: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:00 am. A look at Gwynevere, Princess of Sunlight, and the woman behind the illusion few ever knew. 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